Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South walk
Happy Valley and Farthing Down, close to London (Zone 6)
History
This is a list of previous times this walk has been done by the club (since Jan 2010). For more recent events (since April 2015), full details are shown.
Date | Option | Post | # | Weather |
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Sat, | Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South or Kingswood | 10 | Persistent rain all afternoon | |
Mon, | Monday Walk - Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South | 5 | wet start sunny finish | |
Sat, | Saturday Walk Riddlesdown to Coulsdon - Coulsdon Common, Chaldon Church and Doom mural, Happy Valley and Farthing Down | 7 | ||
Sat, | Saturday Walk - Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South | 18 | gloomy and mist | |
Wed, | Wednesday Walk: Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South | 13 | sunny cloudy sunny cloudy | |
Sun, | Cancelled Sunday Walk - Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South | |||
Wed, | Wednesday Walk Riddlesdown to Kingswood | 7 | sunny | |
Sun, | Sunday Walk: Newest, oldest, biggest - Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South | |||
Tue, | Evening walk - Riddlesdown to Coulsdon | 2 | moderately falling snow | |
Sun, | Sunday Walk: Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South | 10 | dry with a little light rain over lunch | |
Sat, | Riddlesdown to Kingswood | 4 | warm and sunny | |
Mon, | New Year's Day Walk, South: Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South | 21 | wet morning but dry with some sun later | |
Mon, | Evening walk - Riddlesdown to Coulsdon | 2 | cold and frosty | |
Sun, | Sunday Walk Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South | |||
Sat, | Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South | |||
Wed, | Mid-week Day Walk Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South | 4 | wet | |
Sat, | Saturday First Walk - Downland on London's southern margins | 12 | overcast windy dry | |
Sun, | Sunday walk 1 - Only just south: London's southern commons | 4 | ||
Wed, | Riddlesdown to Coulsdon | |||
Sun, | b | Coulsdon Circular | 4 | |
Sun, | Riddlesdown to Coulsdon | 7 | ||
Sun, | b | Coulsdon Circular | 0 | |
Sat, | c | Riddlesdown to Kingswood | 7 | |
Sun, | a | Riddlesdown to Coulsdon, with short cut | 6 | |
Sun, | Riddlesdown to Coulsdon | 13 | ||
Sat, | a | Riddlesdown to Coulsdon, with short cut | 20 | |
Wed, | e | Caterham to Kingswood | ||
Sun, | a | Riddlesdown to Coulsdon, with short cut | ||
Sun, | b | Coulsdon Circular | ||
Sun, | Riddlesdown to Coulsdon | |||
Sun, | Riddlesdown to Coulsdon | |||
Wed, | d | Coulsdon to Kingswood | ||
Sat, | c | Riddlesdown to Kingswood | ||
Sun, | Riddlesdown to Coulsdon | |||
Sat, | c | Riddlesdown to Kingswood | ||
Sat, | b | Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South | ||
Sat, | c | Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South | ||
Wed, | c | Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South | ||
Wed, | c | Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South | ||
Sat, | Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South | |||
Sun, | Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South | |||
Wed, | b | Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South | ||
Sat, | b | Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South | ||
Sun, | Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South | |||
Wed, | Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South | |||
Wed, | Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South | |||
Sat, | Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South |
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24-Jul-23
10 turned up for this walk on an overcast day with late rain forecast. After a brief shower we arrived at The Fox just as it was opening at midday. A few ordered lunch, most had brought their own. Just prior to leaving the pub rain had set in much earlier than forecast, changing the plans of many. One took a fairly direct route to Coulsdon, seven the short-cut via Chaldon church and two others the full walk to Coulsdon. The large group arrived in Coulsdon about 14:30 where three went to the station and I guess the other four went for tea. Persistent rain all afternoon
T=2.15
Length: 16.8km (10.4 miles) shortcuts available. 4 out of 10.
A short journey, a big pub (Vintage Inn chain) & a common for picnics.
"Considering that it starts in the suburbs of London (and within the boundaries of London Transport Travelcard zone six), this walk passes through some remarkably unspoilt countryside. Farthing Down, Kenley Common, Riddlesdown and Cousldon Commons are all ancient grazing lands, lovingly preserved as part of the London Greenbelt, and offering a delightful series of woods and open spaces. This is also a fine walk for a brisk winter's day, and offers numerous idyllic spots for a picnic."
Trains: Get the 1023 East Grinstead train from London Bridge ( East Croydon 1040), arriving Riddlesdown 1048. Return trains from Coulsdon South are xx09 & xx39 to London Bridge, calling at East Croydon. All in Zone 6. There are no direct trains from Coulsdon Town today.
Lunch: The Fox pub (tel 01883 330401) on Coulsdon Common serves food all day from noon and has a large seating capacity both inside and in the garden. Can be booked online. It is 6.2km (3.9 miles) from Riddlesdown.
Tea: Poppy's Cafe is a family run Cafe located in Coulsdon Memorial Ground Park, which you pass on the way to Coulsdon South Station. It's on your right hand side at the bottom of Farthing Down.
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11-Apr-23
Just 3 hardnuts at Drizzledown station for what looked like a wet walk to Poursdown South. And so it was for the morning. But not excessively so. “At least it won’t be windy” said one optimist. It was windy. On reaching the Fox we were joined by 2 more hardnuts who had started from Poursdown.. This made us 5 Then the sun came out and, apart from a short but brutal shower mid afternoon, it stayed out. So wet start sunny finish The afternoon took a longer route than the short walk but not as long as the long walk. This for reasons of clag-avoidance and not in any way related to the L-word. Honest. A pleasant walk over Farthing Down followed. Then, just when we thought our day couldn’t get any better, we were whisked away in a waiting limo to an exclusive posh caff in Coulsdon where we were plied with tea, luxurious cake and even wine. A grand day out.
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30-Jul-22
Victoria to East Grinstead via East Croydon and Riddlesdown appears to running normally 2 trains per hour. Reigate to Victoria via Coulsdon South also OK. A shuttle service from Tattenham Corner via Coulsdon Town is also running to Purley with onward connections to East Croydon and Victoria.
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30-Jul-22
If needed, the number 60 bus will also take you from Coulsdon all the way to Streatham, via Purley and Croydon
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30-Jul-22
7 walkers, including 2 who opted for a shorter version. It was a very nice, relaxing and enjoyable day and we stopped several times along the route to enjoy the views. At the end of the walk, 3 of us relaxed on the outdoor terrace of Poppy's cafe overlooking the memorial park. One to remember as it's a greats setting for tea, serves home made cakes and stays open late.
Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South T=2.15
Length: 16.8km (10.4 miles) shortcuts available. 4 out of 10.
A short journey, a big pub (Vintage Inn chain) & a common for picnics.
"Considering that it starts in the suburbs of London (and within the boundaries of London Transport Travelcard zone six), this walk passes through some remarkably unspoilt countryside. Farthing Down, Kenley Common, Riddlesdown and Cousldon Commons are all ancient grazing lands, lovingly preserved as part of the London Greenbelt, and offering a delightful series of woods and open spaces. This is also a fine walk for a brisk winter's day, and offers numerous idyllic spots for a picnic."
Trains: Get the 1020 East Grinstead train from Victoria (Clapham 1026, east Croydon 1039), arriving Riddlesdown 1048. Return trains are xx10 & xx37 to London Bridge, calling at East Croydon. All in Zone 6.
Lunch: The Fox pub (tel 01883 330401) on Coulsdon Common serves food all day from noon and has a large seating capacity both inside and in the garden. Can be booked online. It is 6.2km (3.9 miles) from Riddlesdown.
Tea: Seems to be a bit limited, but a short walk takes you to Coulsdon town centre & the additional choice of (slower) trains from Coulsdon Town station.
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17-Dec-21
Poppy's Cafe is a family run Cafe located in Coulsdon Memorial Ground Park, which you pass on the way to Coulsdon South Station. It's on your right hand side at the bottom of Farthing Down.
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19-Dec-21
A rather gloomy and mist day for this walk 14 off the train, 3 at the station and 1 catching up at lunch made for 18 on this enjoyable walk. The Fox wasn't at all busy for the inside diners, and huddle outside with a drink picnickers. The group diverged a bit after lunch with some taking the shortcut and others longer over their meal. Paths a bit muddy with a large field of very claggy mud, buy not too bad overall. The ending was quite atmospheric with the mist hiding the surroundings of the ridge.
Book 2, walk 15
11.3 miles (18.1km) or, with shortcut, 8.6 miles 13.8km.
Difficulty 4/10
The South London Downs, England’s newest National Nature Reserve, features some of the finest preserved commons in London's green belt, including Happy Valley and Farthing Down. That’s where we're going today. Farthing Down in particular is noted for its wildlife, historic sites, and views. There’s woodland as well.
In the afternoon we pass Chaldon Church, home to one of England's oldest and biggest wall paintings. Find out what happens to people who don’t behave - and make sure you’re not one of them. Always follow those government guidelines.
Trains: Get the 10:50 East Grinstead train from Victoria (Clapham Jct 10:56 E Croydon 11:09) arriving Riddlesdown 11:18.
Trains back: xx:20 & xx:50 from Coulsdon South to Victoria. xx:39 and xx:09 to London Bridge.
Riddlesdown and Coulsdon stations are within Tfl travelcard zone 6. A Zones 1-6 travel card may be best.
Lunch
The appointed lunch stop is The Fox, Coulsdon Common 01883 330 401. There's a possible earlier stop in Wattenden - the Wattenden Arms, open from 12.
Refreshment stops are a bit unreliable at present so it’s a good idea to bring snackies and water in case they’re needed.
Tea: The Poppy Café in the Memorial Gardens (across Marlpit Lane from Reddown Rd) is open to 6. There is a CaffeNero, 5 mins north of the station at 132 Brighton Road, open until 5pm 020 8660 7111.
The walk's introduction also gives directions to a pub, the Pembroke 0208763 0800.
Walk Directions: here.
It is possible to take the shortcut (option a) soon after the pub. You could also finish at the pub by taking a 466 bus to East Croydon Station.
Covid-19 Compliance: Please adhere to the current guidance on this website. Please sign up for this walk in advance if you can, using the London Walkers User Group site. (This saves time collecting contact details). Otherwise bring a piece of paper with your contact details e.g email on it (in your neatest handwriting!) This will be put in an envelope and accessed if needed for contact tracing. To report a Covid case after this walk, contact covid@lwug.co.uk /
T=2.15
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14-Jul-21
The train time proposed is the 10:50 not the 9:50.
The reason for taking this train is that it allows time for pass holders (who cannot travel before 9) get to Victoria. Thereby being more inclusive.
If any of you do get the earlier train be sure to collect contact details for reporting purposes. I won’t be there at that time.
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14-Jul-21
13 12 at the station, 1 joining midday. The day was variously sunny cloudy sunny cloudy Not as muddy as it could have been, given the recent rain. Among the botanical delights on show, greater yellow rattle, orchids, wild carrot with its forky bracts, ladie’s and another bedstraw, a little pink pea thing and knapweed. One or two butterflies fluttered by - marbled white, speckled wood, red admiral. And a dragon fly. About half ate at the Fox and the food seemed to go down well, even if they were no good at sums. I think one or two might have taken the shortcut but a sizeable proportion went the whole way round The old painting’s still in the church. Happy Valley’s still happy. Farthing’s still down.
L=2.15
Standard Walk: 16.8km (10.4 miles)
Shortening the walk: By using the short cut to Chaldon Church at the point indicated in the text 1.7km after the Fox pub (at point [4]), you can cut 4.3km (2.6 miles) off both the main walk and the circular option below.
Alternative circular walk from Coulsdon South: By starting at Coulsdon South, you can make the walk slightly shorter to 14.2km (8.8 miles).
Considering that it starts in the suburbs of London (and within the boundaries of London Transport Travelcard zone six), this walk passes through some remarkably unspoilt countryside. Farthing Down, Kenley Common, Riddlesdown and Cousldon Commons are all ancient grazing lands, lovingly preserved as part of the London Greenbelt, and offering a delightful series of woods and open spaces. It is a fine walk for a brisk winter's day.
Trains: There are options to travel overground from St Pancras, London Bridge and Victoria.
From Victoria, take the 9:51 East Grinstead train (CJ 9:58, E.Croydon 10:09) arriving Riddlesdown 10:17.
From St Pancras, take the 9:26 train (London Bridge 9:41) to East Croydon where you change to connect to the 10.09 to Riddlesdown.
If doing the Coulsdon circular, take the 10:11 St Pancras train (10:26 London Bridge) get to Coulsdon South at 10:50. The 10:15 from Victoria (change E Croydon for 10:41 Three Bridges Train) also gets there at 10:50.
Return trains from Coulsdon South xx:09, xx:39 to St Pancras, xx:20 to Victoria
Both stations are in zone 6 so a travelcard may be the best option
On arrival, set off in small groups (no more than six), allowing gaps between each departure. You will be asked to provide your email address for contact tracing purposes. Exchange contact details with those in your group. In the event that you develop COVID symptoms in the week following the walk, please email/text the people you walked with and email swc.wanderer@gmail.com Your contact details will not be shared with anyone.
Lunch: The Fox pub is closed so best to bring a packed lunch and any other refreshments you might need.
L=2.15
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20-Dec-20
That's a good question. There's lots of guidance about travelling to or from "your area" but I can't find anything on gov.uk or elsewhere defining what "your area" means. Is it your London borough? the whole of London? any neighbouring area in Tier 4? I can't believe it's meant to be deliberately ambiguous so has anyone found a clear definition?
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20-Dec-20
You may leave you house to walk locally, "meaning avoiding travelling outside of your village, town or the part of a city where you live".
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21-Dec-20
the tier 4 rules on gov.uk
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21-Dec-20
I think this clarification of "local area" has been added very recently; it's also in the sections for Tiers 1/2/3. I sent off some emails about this at the end of last week and I'm sure I wasn't the only person asking for clarity. Even on Sunday night a Sky News reporter was misleadingly telling people in Tier 4 that they shouldn't travel outside their "region" (the whole of Tier 4 in the south-east) rather than their local "area".
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21-Dec-20
The legislation has now been published: The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (All Tiers and Obligations of Undertakings) (England) (Amendment) Regulations 2020
There is only one Tier 4 area (defined by reference to the various county, district and London Borough councils.)
The legislation begins with the basic premise contained in the original lockdown legislation of March 2020, i.e. "No person who lives in the Tier 4 area may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse."
There are 16 possible exceptions to this rule (the list is not exhaustive) one of which is that " it is reasonably necessary for P (the person concerned) to leave or be outside P’s home—" ........
"to take exercise outside—
(i)alone,
......... (irrelevant parts omitted)
(iii)in a public outdoor place, with one other person who is not a member of their household, their linked household or their linked childcare household
The word "travel" does not appear anywhere in the legislation, and there is no mention of "avoiding travelling outside of your village, town or the part of a city where you live."
The Gov.uk website currently states "You must stay at home and not leave your Tier 4 area, other than for legally permitted reasons" but this seems to refer to the 16 exceptions noted above. So leaving the Tier 4 area is permissible in those cases. (There is no YOUR Tier 4 area - it's all one area)
However, as another poster said recently "Our emphasis should be about minimising risk of spreading, not what we can get away with."
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21-Dec-20
"Our emphasis should be about minimising risk of spreading, not what we can get away with."
I completely agree with this.
Prof. Chris Whitty made the same point this week.
I think there are concerns that the new variant is both more infectious and has taken steps towards vaccine escape so it's very important to minimise spread.
Riddlesdown to Kingswood T=2.15
Length: 9.3 miles (15km) (walk time 4.5 hrs). Shortcuts possible after lunch.
Considering that it starts in the suburbs of London (and within the boundaries of London Transport Travelcard zone six), this walk passes through some remarkably unspoilt countryside. The start, is the standard walk as far as the Fox lunch Pub. You then need the directions for the alternative ending to get to Kingsdown ("highly recommended - Walker").
After the Fox, you could also take a shortcut to end in Coulsdon South.
Trains: Get the 1020 East Grinstead train from Victoria Clapham 1027, East Croydon 1040, arriving 1048. Return trains are xx16 & xx46. These are zone 6 stations so use Oyster.
Lunch: The large Fox pub (6.2km, 3.9 miles), which generally has good service.
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27-Nov-19
7 with an initial sunny start followed by rain mid morning. 6 got to the Fox, with 1 trailing behind. With a bus imminent and the rain, 4 abandoned the walk. 2 stalwarts carried on, with one planning a route to Coulsdon.
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27-Nov-19
Sunny on the train out, sunny on the train back, rainy in between. There was more rain in the afternoon. Lots of it. A splishy sploshy walk, swampy wampy, even, in places. Two hardnuts carried on to Coulsdon, the fore-mentioned stalwart and the trailing one. The trailing one dropped into the Fox for a quick half but didn't see the others. No wonder, they were on a bus! So the trailing one pressed on and the stalwart eventually caught up with him.(Now how did that happen? An extra shortcut maybe?)
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27-Nov-19
Well done indeed.
When could they say till now that talked of Rome
That its wide walls encompassed but one man?
(Shakespeare: Julius Caesar)
10.4 miles, 16.8km or, with shortcut, 7.8 miles 12.5km.
Difficulty 4/10
Take a trip through England's newest National Nature Reserve, a designation that will help preserve some of the green belt's finest commons, including Happy Valley and Farthing Down,
Marvel at one of England's oldest and biggest surviving wall paintings in Chaldon Church.
Trains: Get the 09:51 East Grinstead train from Victoria (Clapham Jct 09:58 E Croydon 10:09) arriving Riddlesdown 10:17.
Trains back: xx:20 & xx:57 from Coulsdon South to Victoria.
Both stations are within travelcard zone 6. A travel card out to zone 6 may be best.
Lunch The Fox, Coulsdon Common 01883 330 401. Busy, efficient and, according to their website, "oozing rustic charm and rural character". There's a possible earlier stop in Wattenden - the Wattenden Arms, open from 12.
Tea: Chaldon Church serves tea and cakes between 3 and 4.30 summer Sundays. Nearer the station, the Poppy Café in the Memorial Gardens (across the road from Reddown Rd) is open to 3.30. There is a Caffe Nero, 5 mins north of the station at 132 Brighton Road, open until 5pm on Sundays. The walk notes also give directions to a pub, the Pembroke. (If visiting the Pembroke, note that Coulsdon's other station, Coulsdon Town, has no trains today).
Walk Directions: here. It is possible to take a shortcut in the afternoon (option a).
T=2.15
Length: 9.9km (6.2 miles)
Catch the 18:21 train from London Victoria, arrives Riddlesdown 18:48. Will stop for a drink / meal at the Fox PH, Coulsdon, to then walk onto Coulsdon South station (taking the reverse 3.7km route for the Coulsdon South start). Alternatively you can catch the 466 bus to East Croydon station.
*Standard Riddlesdown to Fox route, followed by the reverse of the Coulsdon South to Fox PH morning route. T=2.15
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21-Jan-19
Intend going
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23-Jan-19
2 usual suspects met on the platform at Riddlesdown in moderately falling snow for an atmospheric jaunt around the greenbelt near Coulsdon. Though chilly, a brisk pace kept us warm through the undulating terrain with some settled dustings of snow along the way. Arriving at the Fox for dinner, we were met by two other regular walkers who joined us for a drink while we dined. The final stretch through a lightly snow covered Happy Valley was a real highlight....Through-out the walk, plenty of ambient light to guide us on our way....
16.8 km. 10.4 miles or, with shortcut, 7.8 miles 12.5km.
Difficulty 4/10
This walk, all within travelcard zone 6, goes through some of the finest preserved commons in the green belt, including Happy Valley and Farthing Down. You also get to marvel at one of England's oldest - and biggest - wall paintings in Chaldon Church .
Travel:
Get the 10:22 East Grinstead train from London Bridge (E Croydon 10:39) arr. Riddlesdown 10:47. (No service from Victoria today). Get a Zones 1-6 travelcard.
Returning from Coulsdon South at xx:04 involves 10 minutes on a replacement bus to Purley where you pick up the xx:28 train to London Bridge. Total journey time 51min.
Returning at xx:34 (also via bus to Purley) involves a further change at East Croydon. Total journey time 55 min.
Lunch
The Fox, Coulsdon Common 01883 330 401- Busy, efficient and "oozing rustic charm and rural character" according to their website. There's a possible earlier stop at Wattenden - the Wattenden Arms, open from 12.
Tea:
There is a Caffe Nero, 5 mins north of the station at 132 Brighton Road, open until 5pm.
The Poppy Cafe in the Memorial Gardens (across the road from Reddown Rd) is open till 4.
There's also a drinks machine in the station's cab office.
Additionally, the walk's intro page gives directions to a pub, the Pembroke, 12-16 Chipstead Valley Road, CR5 2RA.
(The Pembroke and Caffe Nero are not that far from Coulsdon Town station where trains run to Purley at xx:11 or East Croydon at xx:41 - directions not in text, continue north along Brighton Rd and turn right into Leaden Hill).
Walk Directions: here.
Bearing in mind it gets dark early, consider the shortcut (option a), soon after the Fox.
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15-Dec-18
Margarita - Check out the link "guide for new members that explains all" near the top of the page. Normally you meet on the destination station platform (in this case Riddlesdown at 10:47), or look out for the group at the ticket barrier if you're not arriving by train.
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17-Dec-18
My extensive network of spies tell me there were about 6 on this walk that was largely dry with a little light rain over lunch . That's not counting Paul.
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They were about 10 or 11 and one well-behaved dog. loosely separated into two groups. most enjoyed lunch at the popular Fox. the advance party charged on through stretches of mud to reach Coulsdon station. lovely walk but two GPS holders registered about 12 miles for the full walk instead of 10.4 ?..
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18-Dec-18
10
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18-Dec-18
My extensive network of spies have been booked back into Espionage School. They can only have been snooping on part of the group. :(
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18-Dec-18
Either that, or the Russians are feeding disinformation about walk numbers to us in order to destabilise Western democracy...
Length: 15km (9.3 miles)
Toughness 4/10.
Catch the 10:21 train from London Victoria, arrives Riddlesdown 10:48
*Requires download 15c Alternative walk directions for a Riddlesdown to Kingswood walk. Travel: All within Zone 6. T=2.15
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4 walkers, although we did see another couple with the SWC directions so we are not sure if they did the same walk. The weather was warm and sunny all day. Summer is a good time of year to do this walk with it's mix of shady woodland and open fields and valleys. There were masses of buttercups and other wild flowers in the meadows and crops in the fields. We saw wild orchids, water lillies in full bloom and butterflies. The Fox on Coulsdon Common was not busy and easily accommodated us. In the afternoon, we rested briefly on a sunny hillside overlooking a sweeping valley by Noke Farm, surrounded by sheep and lambs. Later, strolling through the golf course we made way for a Bride and Groom riding across the golf course in a golf buggy, presumably to their reception in the club house and we congratulated them as they went by. The Kingswood Arms at the end of the walk usually makes a nice tea stop, but today it was heaving with people (we think from the Derby races) and had a sign outside saying they were serving "regular customers only". As we didn't think we could get away with looking like we were dressed for the races we headed straight to the station. We had at least passed a small shop selling drinks and ice creams earlier in the afternoon, where those who needed to, had refuelled. A nice walk, despite having to cross the M23.
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03-Jun-18
Just to add, this area was all dry underfoot yesterday.
Certainly was.
I made it a morning walk, (caught an earlier train finishing at Kingswood at about 10:30).
For a walk close to London and a pub open and serving lunch on NYD, the minor inconvenience of a 10 minute bus ride at the start of your journey home is hopefully acceptable to our New Year's Day Walkers, South. However, for those averse to replacement buses, you have the option of walking the short distance at walk-end to Coulsdon Town railway station for a twice an hour train service back to London (see below).
Book 2, Walk 15 - Riddlesdown to Coulsdon South (with afternoon short cut)
Length: 12.5 km (7.8 miles)
Toughness: 4 out of 10
London Victoria: 10-23 hrs (East Grinstead service) Clapham Junction: 10-29; East Croydon: 10-40 hrs
Arrive Riddlesdown: 10-47 hrs
Return: Coulsdon South: a 10 minute bus ride to Purley for a fast train service back to Victoria, via East Croydon and Clapham Junction, with buses leaving Coulsdon South every half hour at xx-28 and xx-58.
Alternatively, a short walk up Coulsdon High Street would bring you to Coulsdon Town station, with direct services to London Bridge via East Croydon at xx-03 and xx-33. Change at East Croydon for Victoria.
Rail ticket: all these stations are within TfL Zone 6.
For a walk on the outskirts of the London Borough Croydon, today's outing is surprisingly pleasant and almost rural as it passes through unspoilt countryside and ancient grazing lands and commons, with some lovely views both in the morning and in the afternoon.
Being New Year's Day I suggest you toast in the New Year with bubbly from one of the morning viewing points. I leave it to you to bring along the medicine and nibbles.
Your pub lunch stop is The Fox, Coulsdon Common, Caterham. Now please read the next bit very carefully as I will write zis only 'vonce. I have reserved a table for 10 for 1 pm (which should leave you plenty of time to enjoy your mid-morning bubbly and get to the pub in time). Please 'phone ahead to confirm your actual numbers - the pub is aware the number booked may vary, and although they anticipate being very busy they will do their best to accommodate more of you, should that be the case. I will not be with you, as I am on the NYD Walk West, so I am relying on one of you NYD South walkers to contact the pub: tel: 01883-340737. If for some reason travel disruption prevents the walk taking place, would one of you please 'phone the pub to cancel the booking.
After lunch I suggest you take the short cut to Chaldon, stopping at Chaldon Church to look at its historic murals. Then you head for Farthing Down for a lovely, long descent to Coulsdon South. Facilities are a bit sparse here, but please read the Directions for suggested refreshment places. The short bus journey at the start of your journey home should not be too big a hassle.
For those wanting a longer walk, you have the option of doing the full Walk 15 of 16.8 km (10.4 miles).
T=2.15
Walk Directions are here: L=2.15
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12-Dec-17
If want to get to Coulsdon Town Station for a real train:- From the end of the Downs continue on Marlpit Lane, ignore Reddown Rd on your left (that leads to Coulsdon South Stn) and continue under the rail and road bridges to the big roundabout where you turn right on to the Brighton Rd for the center of Coulsdon. Take the right fork at the next lights then stay on the Main Road passing The Art Cafe on your right and Cafe Nero on the left. Then just by Pizza Express turn up Leaden Hill To Coulsdon Town. You will need to go over the foot bridge for trains to London
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31-Dec-17
Lindsey and I are planning to do this work and have two bottles, a box of nibbles and plastic cups ...
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03-Jan-18
21 wet morning but dry with some sun later . Thanks to those who brought fizz and nibbles which were enjoyed in mild drizzle at the Riddlesdown view point. Some of us took a short cut to the RAF memorial on Kenley aerodrome and then on to the Fox which was busy but efficient. Most were happy with their lunch but the roasts were served rather tepid. After lunch there were three groups some doing the full N Downs Way section others the posted Chaldon Church route and the remainder went direct to Coulsdon.
Length: 9.9km (6.2 miles)
Catch the 18:23 train from London Victoria, arrives Riddlesdown 18:51.
Will stop for a drink / meal at the Fox PH, Coulsdon, to then walk onto Coulsdon South station (taking the reverse 3.7km route for the Coulsdon South start). Alternatively you can catch the 466 bus to East Croydon station.
* Standard Riddlesdown to Fox route, followed by the reverse of the Coulsdon South to Fox PH morning route
T=2.15
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05-Dec-17
Intend going.
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09-Dec-17
silly question about the timings - won't it be pitch black at that time?
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10-Dec-17
won't it be pitch black at that time?
Not really. It is advisable to bring a torch for when walking through wooded areas; but by and large even with heavy cloud cover on the ground visibilty is not too bad.
Want to make the most of these dark evenings while they last...
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12-Dec-17
Just 2 set off from a cold and frosty platform under a starry evening for an atmospheric journey through a pleasant greenbelt just south of London dabbled with a thin layer of crunchy snow. Route finding went smoothly with good ambient light and we encountered only three slightly treacherous icy patches -- one being the pub car park! At the pub, our numbers suddenly doubled (during the duration of the pub visit) as the SWC pub patrol was out in full force...
16.8 km. 10.4 miles or, with shortcut, 7.8 miles 12.5km.
Difficulty 4/10
This walk, all within travelcard zone 6, goes through some of the finest preserved commons in the green belt, including Happy Valley and Farthing Down. You also get to marvel at one of England's oldest - and possibly biggest - wall paintings in Chaldon Church. Find out what happens if you're not good.
Now the sun sets earlier you may prefer to take the shortcut (option a), soon after the pub.
Trains:
09:52 East Grinstead train from London Bridge (E Croydon 10:10) arriving Riddlesdown 10:17
Trains back: xx:21 & xx:46 from Coulsdon South to London Bridge
Get a Tfl Zones 1-6 travelcard.
Lunch The Fox, Coulsdon Common 01883 330 401- Busy, efficient and "oozing rustic charm and rural character" says their website. There's a possible earlier stop at Wattenden - the Wattenden Arms, open from 12.
Tea: There is a Caffe Nero, 5 mins north of the station at 132 Brighton Road, open until 5pm on Sundays. Additionally, the walk notes give directions to a pub. There's also a drinks machine in the station's cab office.
Walk Directions: here.
A reminder to any old timers still using early editions of Book 2 that the Riddlesdown start is given as option b of what was then the Coulsdon South Circular. Get with it, Daddio!
T=2.15
Length: 16km (10m)
Toughness: 4/10
Transport: Take the 9:53 from London Victoria, arriving in Riddlesdown at 10:18. There are many trains back to London from Coulsdon South
From the description:
Considering that it starts in the suburbs of London (and within the boundaries of London Transport Travelcard zone six), this walk passes through some remarkably unspoilt countryside. Farthing Down, Kenley Common, Riddlesdown and Coulsdon Commons are all ancient grazing lands, lovingly preserved as part of the London Greenbelt, and offering a delightful series of woods and open spaces.
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On page 3 paragraph 2 'In 250m at a T junction with a road turn right' on Hayes Lane again (although not stated). This has always been a nasty section of the LOOP with 100m on a busy road with no pavement but can easily be avoided.
At the T junction there is a red postbox opposite and to its immediate right a path. Take this path into woodland, 7m later turn left and in another 20m turn right. Ignore a path on the right in another 10m and continue on a very twisty woodland path for 200m. At a path T junction with a garden fence and 3-fingered signpost visible 20m to the left, turn left and then at the fence turn right and in 10m follow the fence round to the left leading to a field in 40m. In the field turn left on a faint grass path which soon forks. Left goes to the Wattenden pub, while the right fork leads to a stile and earthen steps down with the turning to 'The Haven' 5m to the right.
A little shorter and a lot safer
Riddlesdown to Couldson South
Book 2 Walk 15
- Clapham Junction: Departs 10:28 am
- East Croydon: Departs 10:41 am
I'd suggest that those who will be starting outside the "Great Wen" travel zones should seek advice from their local ticket office for the best tickets to buy.
The rest of you may of course, use your Freedom/Boris passes
Brief Description
Lunch is at the Fox where you may drop out and catch a 466 bus to East Croydon.
You can also shorten the afternoon section of the walk by about 4½ km if the rain is heavy.
You may find full details of this walk here and a downloadable PDF here
Art Rebellion may be found by ignoring the signed left turn to Coulsdon South Station and continuing along Marlpit lane on the right-hand pavement to the flyover passing the under the road and railway to reach a roundabout. Here, continue in the same direction and after about 100 metres, bear right into Brighton Road. Art Rebellion may be found on the right in approximately a further 100 metres.
The Poppy Café opening times can be a little unpredictable, but it overlooks the peaceful Coulsdon Memorial Ground and has outdoor seating.
Suggested Lunch stop
Suggested Tea stops
Poppy Café Coulsdon Memorial Ground, Marlpit Lane, Coulsdon, CR5 2HE t: 01737 669496
Maps
Return train times
Victorians will need to change at East Croydon. If you yen for further walking at Victoria Station, you may catch the 18:45 train to Sydenham Hill (platform 3 at the time of writing) there for the midweek evening walk.
On this day in 1997 "The Deep Blue" defeated Garry Kasparov to win a six-game chess match
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12-May-16
Four people got off the train and at least two of us finished, and got wet in a post lunch downpour.
Length: 15km (9.3 miles)
Toughness: 3 out of 10
9.53 train from Victoria (9.59 Clapham Junction, 10.10 East Croydon) to Riddlesdown, arriving 10.18.
Trains back from Kingswood are at 25 and 55 past.
** Both stations are in zone 6: use Oyster
Walk directions: use the book or these online directions as far as lunch, then these directions for the afternoon route to Kingswood
The other walk posters seem to be plotting to send you thither and yon today, so here is a walk close to home for those of you feeling a bit less adventurous. (I realise a variant of this was posted just before Christmas, but it was a wet Sunday and only four turned up.)
To many of you it will need no introduction, but those who don't know it will be delighted to discover such unspoilt and lovely countryside right on London's southern doorsteps - downland for the most part, some woods, and just a couple of tiny bits of suburbia.
Lunch is at the capacious Fox. This pub always seems to be very busy but we generally manage to squeeze in somehow. Ringing at the start of the walk to try and book a table may be an idea, but I would suggest doing this in smaller groups rather than trying to get a table for 15 or whatever, which may spook them. I have timetabled this walk to get you to the pub comfortably at or shortly after midday, hopefully, which should give you a much better chance of getting a table and getting served promptly. An earlier option is the Wattenden Arms just after Kenley Common, but you will get to that too early (it serves food from noon).
Those with busy schedules might like to note that two LT bus routes link the Fox with Coulson South and Croydon stations.
After lunch, the alternative route to Kingswood is highly recommended: make sure you have printed out the special directions for this in addition to the main walk directions. There is a pub at Kingswood for tea.
However, if you want you can just do the main walk 15 afternoon to Coulsdon South - there is a longer version or a short cut option. Trains back from Coulsdon South are at 16, 26 and 56 past. See feedback for this walk for details of a cafe near the station.
Book 2, walk 15
with shortcut, 7.8 miles 12.5km.
Difficulty 4/10
This walk, all within travelcard zone 6, goes through some of the finest preserved commons in the green belt, including Happy Valley and Farthing Down. All being well, you also get to marvel at one of England's oldest - and possibly biggest - wall paintings in Chaldon Church .
The full walk is 10.4 miles but the 7.8 mile version is recommended, given the limited hours of daylight. This involves taking the shortcut (option a) in the afternoon.
Trains:
09:53 East Grinstead train from Victoria (Clapham Jct 09:59 E Croydon 10:10) arr Riddlesdown 10:17
Trains back: xx:21 & xx:52 from Coulsdon South to Victoria.
A zones 1-6 travelcard is probably your best bet.
"Have some picnic items in reserve" Lunch The Fox, Coulsdon Common 01883 330 401- Busy, efficient and "oozing rustic charm and rural character" according to their website. Phoning advised. There's a possible earlier stop at the Wattenden Arms, though it opens at 12 and you may be too early. With Xmas being so close, pubs could be busy today. You might want to have a few picnic items in reserve. Just saying.
Tea: There is a Caffe Nero, 5 mins north of the station at 132 Brighton Road, open until 5pm on Sundays. Additionally, the walk notes give directions to a pub.
The Poppy Café in the Memorial Gardens (across the road from Reddown Road) is open till 4.
If thats all too much, there's an elf-service drinks machine in the station's cab office (note xmas joke).
Walk Directions: Book 2 or from here.
( n.b. in earlier editions of Book 2, the Riddlesdown start is given as option b of what was then the Coulsdon South Circular.)
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21-Dec-15
According to a Facebook report 4 on this walk which was shortened by the participants because of rain.