I believe there were20 at the start joined later by 1 who had missed his train (due to delayed train) so21 altogether. It was lovely-sunnny-weather for nearly the whole day. Quite an energetic walk today, with many ups and downs, which meant we had lovely views of the surrounding countryside. Most had picnic lunch in the church in Shoreham, whilst a few had lunch in the Samuel Palmer. Three of us (reduced in Otford to 2) continued on after a drink in this pub. 2 then had a delicious tea with cakes in The Hospices of Hope tea room, and were joined by 2 others. Then 2 carried on to Otford station and enjoyed a long train journey all the way home in North London. A really great walk showcasing the lovely Kent countryside. Thank you Sandy.

Most of the picknickers descended on the Samuel Palmer - presumably just after brachnline had left - and continued though the afternoon with the pub lunchers, all I think doing the extended walk up to Meenfield Wood and down again. We wondered if it would make more sense to continue to Pilot's Wood instead of returning to the valley at the first opportunity, but followed the posted route. Two detoured to Pluto, but we soon reassembled. Nearly all went to the Hospices of Hope with its impressive cakes, just missing the elusive branchline and friend once again. blue sky and sun clouding over later

Calm with sunny spells .5

I must start my walk report by apologising to the 16 walkers who showed up for today's walk, to be confronted with relentless, unforgiving mud all day. I have enjoyed this lovely walk in winter on many a previous occasion, but I have never before encountered so much mud on this walk, of the slippery, sloppy type. If I had known beforehand what we were in for, I would have posted a different walk. Given we had not had that much rain in recent weeks, it remains a mystery to me why the paths were in such a bad, slippery muddy state.

Fortunately for us, the day was saved - to a point - by the weather: we enjoyed another gloriously sunny winters day , crisp but not cold, much the same as the previous Wednesday (Box Hill walk), so I'm doing something right in sorting the weather !

After ascending Otford Mount our group became a bit dispersed and spread out. Some of us opted to avoid the steep descent after Romney Street by walking along the road for most of the way to Shoreham, but later I heard that at least 3 walkers took the Romney Street route, and remained upright during the descent.

On arriving in the village of Shoreham, 2 had lunch at the King's Arms, where the mid-week pensioner's deal was on offer. 6 of us had lunch at the Crown pub in its cosy inner lounge, and very enjoyable, too. Picnickers had their lunches in the churchyard or by the river.

After lunch, some took the Meenham Woods route back to Otford, with views being especially good in the afternoon sunshine, whilst most others took the Darent Valley route back to Otford. Some enjoyed post walk refreshments in the Woodman pub, whilst I believe others popped in to the Pond View Cafe for a cuppa before heading to the railway station.

At the station I met up with 4 other walkers who had visited the Woodman, and the 16-26 hrs service took us back to London without incident - just good chat on the train.

Today we enjoyed some excellent views in winter sunshine on this lovely short but energetic walk. Yes - the mud was trying and tedious and relentless (again, sorry about that) - but I hope for many of you the walk was salvaged by the glorious weather.

Frozen out at the 'King's Arms' due to literally 'no room at the Inn'(inside) some of us wished there could have been more group cohesion on this walk..But never mind the welcome received at the Hospice tea shop in Otford was lovely as were the cakes and tea! top marks for this cafe and in a good cause too!

Could we please have some shorter walks nearer to London most of which have gravel paths or tarmac sections and few steep hills given the treacherous muddy conditions under foot. It is sooo painful for those of us with knee problems to deal with the stress of traversing copious amounts of mud on the hills and arthritic hands cannot

grip walking poles for long!! Please save the far distant hills for summer conditions where we have more chances of keeping safe from injuries.

Thanks Marion, and your comments - and request - fully noted.

Walk posters do try to take into account seasonal conditions when posting walks. Also, with Covid self-isolation, and the likelihood of reduced train timetables and train cancellations, most of us try not to venture too far from London. But that said, choosing suitable walks in January and February - particularly for "senior walkers" - is far from easy : we don't have many, if any, proper country walks seven miles in length with gravel paths and flat terrain just thirty minutes by train from London. But after the last two Wednesday walks which were admittedly "energetic," the walks provisionally planned for coming Wednesdays will be easier, to accommodate those of us with dodgy knees. But alas, avoiding mud seems to be near impossible at present.

May I just add that I walked the somewhat tame sections of the whole of the London Loop and Capital Ring during lockdown and only the Essex sections encountered mud with our very own Leytonstone to Chingford proving problematic with ankle deep Essex clay. But then it was Spring/Summer. I must say that walking poles will help but I’ve fallen backwards twice in waterlogged public parks and tripped over on the flat floor of Bushy park gardens courtesy of a vicious hidden bramble which lassoed my ankles. Not using poles obviously and not paying attention. My war wounds are getting worse sadly which is why I’d like a few easier walks please.

Eleven travelled by a number of different trains to meet up at Otford station, with one other joining us outside Shoreham, having walked from his home, making 12 for today's exercise in Kent. After the first uphill mile we lost one of our number to more interesting company - we hope she enjoyed the rest of her day.

It was lovely and sunny in the morning clouding over later in temperatures ideal for this short{ish) walk of uphill and down dale. In my walk post I had forgotten to mention the ups and downs after Romney Street, and was correctly reprimanded for this omission by those expecting a more leisurely approach to Shoreham. In the village, 6 of us dined at the King's Arms whilst our sandwichers retired to the attractive churchyard and grounds of the nearby church. Speaking of retirement, the pub was offering a seniors two-course lunch for under nine pounds, and it was very good too, in quality and portion size. Being good sports, we shared the puddings with our two youngsters yet to qualify for their Freedom passes.

After lunch at least 6 took the high route back to Otford (the reverse of the morning leg of our Otford to Eynsford walk). With lunch now deferred until Shoreham on the main walk, following the closure of the Romney Street pub, the high route makes for a better balanced walk, with a ninety minute afternoon leg as opposed to the forty minute return to Otford via the golf course. So I will add the high route to the Directions, as an option.

Back in Otford, 3 of us were just in time to take tea at the Pond View Cafe (previously known as Willow Tea Rooms) and how very nice: tea in pots and a selection of cream teas et al. We resisted the scones and cakes, having indulged in those lunchtime puds, and after our drinks we headed for the station, with light rain now beginning to fall.

Good trains today, good exercise without having to go too long, lovely views of Kent's countryside, weather ideal for today's walk, and a good value lunch for us oldies, so a good day away from the office - but then, everyone seems to be away from the office these days ......

Intend going..

A record setting 4 for this final winter evening walk of the season...in initially dusk turning to dark clouds clearing later to reveal an almost full moon .

We set off on the planned route; then opted for a shorter route with some further discussion of how much shorter....in the end, two regained the original route and two carried along the alternate route....both groups meeting in Shoreham where not one of four pubs were serving food at 8pm!!! So, on we went to Otford with the moon just beginning to peek out from behind the clouds....

After a leisurely meal, two caught different trains back to London and two walked different routes to Sevenoaks….

Nature highlights included some very chatty owls and a bat....

Any slug-a-beds who fail to make the scheduled train and start half-an-hour late could catch up by doing the shorter morning route in Walk 290. In fact these renegades would probably get to Shoreham first, and meeting up with the main group might require a diligent inspection of the village's four pubs at some point.

The afternoon leg of Walk 290 is significantly tougher than the flat return leg of the original walk since it climbs up the other side of the valley. I'd have said that the toughness rating of Walker's suggested 'Longer Afternoon' combination is closer to 7/10.

22 on this walk on a day of glorious morning sun but cloud and some rain after lunch . We got a bit split up in the morning, a few taking shortcuts, a few getting lost, so I am not sure what happened to around half the group. But eight us had a fine lunch at the Two Brewers, a very pleasant place which sees itself as more of a restaurant than a pub but which accommodated a few extra drinkers from the sandwich crowd (rather reluctantly, according to one of them). Unable to fit onto our table, one joined the Walk Inspector in the Crown.

Emerging at about 2.45pm to grey skies and rain - what a change! - several who had planned to do the longer afternoon decided not to, and only six of us that I know of set off to do it. Three of these basically reversed part of the Otford to Eynsford Walk route, but three of us did the full 290 route, and very fine it was too, despite including its author’s trademark close encounter with a motorway. I reflected that I would love to come back and do it in summer, though I guess then it would seem too short a walk for many SWC-ers.

We got to Otford at 4.35, finishing in the dark and were too late for tea at the Hospices of Hope tea room, which closed early - hopefully not because of earlier walkers turning up in muddy boots (we always take them off for pubs, rarely for tea rooms: just my observation). But several of us instead found The Bull pub very cosy, and it even had vegan chocolate pudding.

6 who ate at Two Brewers did short cut. We were joined by 4 others who ate in the other pub ( King George?) which was very good and value for money. 7 then went to Hospice tea room (excellent tea and cakes as ever, also for a good cause) whilst 3 decided to go for something stronger - 2 rejoined the Hospice group on the train. 5 more walkers who took short cut came to Hospice just when we set to leave. So we vacated the table for them. We took 4:32 train back and met two more walkers at the station. PS Two Brewers had very nice food but expensive (ie London restaurant price) - be prepared to spend £20+ for food and a drink. So the other two pubs may be a better choice for future outings.

who is going tomorrow ?

Was hoping go but due to SWT train delays have had to abort my journey as wont get there in time

Grr!!!

7 plus one dog on this walk. Weather a tad disappointing give a cheery BBC forecast (which I confess was a factor on tempting your correspondent out), sunny to start but soon clouding up , with bluer skies hovering tantalisingly to the north after lunch: but v mild at least. A pleasant walk with some dribs of autumn colour still (oaks, field maple, hazel) and almost no mud (I have a feeling that is not going to last). Fascinating to see the golf course in the valley after the former lunch pub in Romney Street now completely returned to nature: you would never know it had ever been there.

Only two of us stopped at The George Inn, whose turkey dinner portion was so huge it could have fed a homeless hostel all by itself (as it is, the dog benefited). The sandwich-eaters left before I had ploughed through it and the other luncher opted for an early train from Shoreham. So I trudged on alone to Otford, enjoying the book route (a bit different to the direct route I normally walk). I can only assume the sandwich-eaters skipped tea as none were in either tea room. I went to the Hospices of Hope and enjoyed a nice slab of Christmas cake, just like my mother used to make, and tea in "a proper China cup"

I am reading Alan Bennett's latest published diaries and Walker you are starting to sound like him! Great stuff... try and mix in some reminiscences of Winchester as well (:>).

I am NOT reading Alan Bennett's latest published diaries so don't know if this is a compliment or otherwise.

Of course its a compliment.

Thank you, then

There is a splendid tearoom by the bridge in Eynsford. Don't tell me it's closed already?!

Looking on Facebook and Tripadvisor, the Riverside Tearooms in Eynsford is open

12 on this walk, including one who missed a connection and caught us at lunch and one who took to long parking, failed to catch us up, returned to car and drove to lunch. Light rain the morning turning heavier after 1pm but none of the threatened wind. Bits of autumn colour left (and some green leaves still).

In the morning we got tangled with a meet-up group who seemed determined to match our pace exactly. (How annoying these chattering groups of walkers are!!!) They went to the first pub so we went to the King's Head: cheap food, big portions. After lunch seven of us followed the Darent Valley Way. Since this threatened to get us to Eynsford too early four of us stopped at Lullingstone Roman Villa - v interesting. We just got to the Eynsford tea rooms in time (early closing!) and got the 16.43 train.

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