Upper Warlingham to Hayes. The White Bear, Fickleshole

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White Bear

Upper Warlingham to Hayes

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White Bear

Upper Warlingham to Hayes

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Whyteleafe to Hayes walk

Field, woods, quiet valleys, a gem of a pub, and close to London.

History

This is a list of previous times this walk has been done by the club (since Jan 2010). For more recent events (since April 2015), full details are shown.

Date # Post
Sun, 19-Aug-18 10

Sunday Walk – The Biggin Hill Air Show (Whyteleafe to Hayes)

Extra Walk 38 – Whyteleafe (Upper Warlingham) to Hayes
Length: 16.6 km (10.3 miles). Toughness: 4/10

10:21 East Grinstead train from Victoria (Clapham Jct 10:28, East Croydon 10:39), arriving Upper Warlingham at 10:51. If it's more convenient the Caterham section of the stopping 09:54 service from London Bridge crawls into Whyteleafe at 10:44. Starting from this station is covered in the directions, but it would be more sociable to meet the others at Upper Warlingham (a four-minute walk, signposted). Buy a Zones 1-6 Travelcard or use your Oyster card.

This year is the centenary of the RAF and this is being celebrated at events like the Biggin Hill Air Show with flypasts by Spitfires and other historic aircraft, as well as the usual displays by the Red Arrows, etc. There would be better views of all this from the Hayes-Knockholt walk but Network Rail have thoughtfully scheduled engineering works on both these lines, so that's a non-starter. It still means that you won't have a simple return journey by train but there are many other possibilities from Hayes, including:
  • A rail replacement bus to Lewisham at xx:05 & xx:35
  • A 10-minute bus ride to Bromley South (138, 2/hr & 246, 1/hr)
  • A 25-minute bus ride to East Croydon (119, 4/hr)
  • Divert to New Addington for a shorter walk and Tram to Croydon
I hope this doesn't put anyone off: it's no worse than the standard one or two trains per hour on most of our Sunday walks. This is a much more rural walk than you might expect for something well inside the M25. It hardly gets any summer postings but I seem to remember a fair amount of shady woodland sections. Lunch is at a very attractive 16thC country pub, the popular White Bear in Fickleshole; it has a large garden but it might still be advisable to call ahead. For tea, there's a large Harvester pub and several small cafés near Hayes station. There's more information about the walk (and a link to download the directions) on the Whyteleafe to Hayes walk page. T=swc.38
10 I think. dry and mild. Pleasant walk, mostly along bridleways, and it was nice to do this one on dry ground. A tip for anyone wanting more open stretches who doesn't mind adding about 700m to the walk, is to detour on the afternoon at the sign for Leaves Green, up through open countryside then back down the valley to re join the footpath further on.

This walk proved a very good choice for the Biggin Hill Centenary. We had fantastic views of the aircraft in the afternoon, with some of them swooping so close that we could read the markings. The Red Arrows came over, as did Spitfires a Lancaster and a bomber escorted by two smaller planes.
Sun, 24-Dec-17 12

Christmas Eve walk: Whyteleafe to Hayes

Whyteleafe to Hayes

Length: 16.0km (9.9 miles) or 10.9km (6.8 miles) Toughness: 5/10 or 3/10

Only one walk is posted for today, since many SWC regulars will be away or engaged in Christmas preparations.

If you can’t spare the full day for walking, you could use one of the short options in the walk directions to do a half-day walk, finishing in New Addington after a morning walk or starting there for an afternoon walk. Frequent trams run between New Addington and East Croydon.

If doing either of the short options and not wanting to visit the lunchtime pub, you could shorten these options by:
A) to finish at New Addington, leave the main walk at point [2] and follow Short Walk Option 1 in reverse; or
B) to start at New Addington, follow Short Walk Option 2 in reverse and join the main walk at point [3].

09:53 East Grinstead train from Victoria (Clapham Junction 09:59, East Croydon 10:10), arriving at Upper Warlingham at 10:21.

There are no trains to Whyteleafe station today due to engineering works

Return trains from Hayes run to Victoria today via Catford and Lewisham at xx:04 and xx:34 (journey time 42 mins).

The stations at both ends of the walk, and New Addington too, are in Zones 5 & 6, so a one-day off-peak Travelcard covers your journeys.

Despite its proximity to London, this walk is surprisingly rural in character, passing through woods, fields and quiet valleys, often along shady bridleways. The second half of the walk is entirely within a London borough, though it does not feel like it.

The recommended lunch pub is the very popular 16th century White Bear (01959 573166) at Fickleshole. You can expect to get there by 12:00 or 12:15pm, in plenty of time to beat all the lunch parties who have booked tables today. But do ring the pub as you set off to let them know how many walkers are wanting to eat there.

Walk directions are here: L=swc.38
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12, cloudy but dry and mild. Despite being fully booked, the White Bear squeezed in the six walkers who wanted a pub lunch. Later, three tried out a new diversion across fields that cut out a section of a long bridleway but lengthened the walk a bit. Since Java & Chai was closed, some finished the day with a drink at the New Inn.
Sat, 18-Feb-17 32

Saturday Walk - The North Downs from Zone 6

SWC Walk 38 - Upper Warlingham to Hayes
Length: 16km (10 miles)
Toughness: 4 out of 10

9.53 train from Victoria (9.59 Clapham Junction, 10.10 East Croydon) to Upper Warlingham, arriving 10.22.

Both the outward and return stations are in London Transport zone 6, so you can use Oyster or contactless payment

For walk directions click here.

This is one of those walks between zone six stations that are "surprisingly rural" - fields, woods, quiet bridleways (and almost certainly some mud: but hey, it is February: not long to spring now). It can be started from either Upper Warlingham or Whyteleafe stations and I have chosen the former simply because the trains to it are nicer.

There is one pub for lunch - "a real gem" - whose log fires may be more of an attraction at this time of the year than its outside tables. I am advised that it is actually just over 4 miles into the walk rather than the 5 miles stated. Fast walkers should note that it opens for drinks from 11am but does not start doing food until midday: for more moderate-paced walkers, the specified train should get you to the pub fairly shortly after it starts food service. If it is a big group, try not to arrive all at once.....

You then have six miles or so to do in the afternoon, ending up in Hayes, which has a pub and a cafe, apparently, and trains up to London at 02, 15, 32 and 45 past.
Pub is larger than it looks. Very busy, but with a big staff of lovely Australians boys and girls. Food is excellent and service rapid.

32 or thereabouts. Weather was misty at first then warm and sunny later. A good lunch at The White Bear. The cafe in Hayes had a large room at the back to cater for us and served good cakes. This is a nice walk through gentle countryside.
Sat, 30-Jul-16 17

Saturday Walk 1 - Whyteleafe to Hayes

SWC Walk 38 - Whyteleafe to Hayes
10 miles/16km

By request - this is a walk through some fine countryside close to London, with a great lunchtime pub.

Trains: Take the 10:23 East Grinstead train from London Victoria (East Croydon 10:41), arriving at Upper Warlingham at 10:52. (It is also possible to start from Whyteleafe station which is very close to Upper Warlingham). Return from Hayes, xx08/38 to Charing Cross, xx20/50 to Cannon Street. All stations are within Zone 6 and so covered by Oystercard.

Lunch: The White Bear, Fickleshole (01959 573166), 4.9 miles/7.8km into the walk. Attractive 16th century pub, good food served all day.

Tea: Sponge Kitchens, 38 Station Approach. Hayes Cafe, 48 Station Approach. The New Inn, large Harvester pub/restaurant opposite the station.


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Java and Chai Tea room, 17 Station Approach Hayes has good reviews and stays open late
https://www.facebook.com/Java Chai Tea Room 328658244007999/
I'm in!!!
Because I'm gonna go alone, can you please specify where we have to meet, in Victoria platform station or in Upper Warlingham platform station?
I will print the pdf anyway ;)
Looking forward to it
Meet on the platform at Upper Warlingham platform. The group should be obvious.
I guess 17 including one who missede the train and caught up with us at the lunch pub in Ficleshole (what a terrible name) where food came so quickly for the first few orders that we were a bit suspicious but my salad Nicoise was excellent with a large piece of seared tuna.
The weather was cloud clearing to a little sunshine and then reverting to cloudy humid all day.
Some 'old fashioned looking' fields with long grasses gone to seed with very occasional wild flowers as though it was a field for cattle or sheep but the animals had all been gone for a long time, even the tree in the middle for shade seem to have recovered and grown branches down.
A lot of the walk is through narrow 'alleys' with quite a bit of bramble growth so thank you to the one person who brought a pair of secateurs to trim the buggers back one day maybe we will all carry some form of cutting tool, someone suggested a scythe.
More slopes than I expected for a 4 out of 10
About 100 metres beyond the Station at Hayes on the other side of the road is the Java and Chai Tea room which coped wonderfully with the 14 of us who called in for tea and cake we were all seated at two large tables in the middle and we went up and paid separately and they didn't bat an eyelid. Good selection of teas and homemade cake I know that it was home made because it wasn't perfect but certainly very nice.
Thsi walk would be good in autumn apparently someone said but I can't remember why
AND some of the blackberies were ripe that is getting on for 6 weeks earlier than 20 years ago
Stephen
Sat, 07-Nov-15 7

Whyteleafe to Hayes

Length: 16km / 10 miles (Shortcut 12km / 7 miles)
Toughness: 4/10
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Transport: Take either the 9:15 from London Bridge arriving in Whyteleafe at 9:50 or the 9:23 from London Victoria arriving in Upper Warlingham at 9:53. The Warlinghamers should wait for the Whyteleafers to meet at Whyteleafe station and start the walk together from there.
If you prefer to have a shorter walking morning and start later, take the 10:07 from London Victoria changing in East Croydon to the Tram to New Addington and start the walk from there. The Tram is paid for as you would pay for buses, i.e. free with a Travelcard and £1.45 with Oyster pay-as-you go (only touch in, not out !). £2.40 for a paper ticket. Those who take the shortcut should arrive at about the same time as the full-length walkers at the lunch pub the White Bear. Speaking of which, the White Bear is a really cosy 16th century pub and sometimes it is difficult to leave if you can snap a spot at the fireplace. Not that I would recommend it (the afternoon walk is nice, too) but you can call a taxi back to New Addington from the pub ....

Return from Hayes are at xx:08, xx:20, xx:38 and xx:50. There are also buses. Hayes is in Zone 5.

For those who wish to see a Guy Fawkes fireworks display after the walk Blackheath (free, starting 8pm) would be a good option since the return trains at xx:20 and xx:50 stop in Lewisham from where you can walk to Blackheath Common.

From the walk notes:

Despite its proximity to London, this walk is surprisingly rural in character, passing through fields, woods and quiet valleys, often along shady bridleways. The second half of the walk is entirely within a London borough, though it does not feel like it. Although there are few noteworthy features, the gently rolling countryside provides some fine vistas, and the lunchtime pub is a real gem.

Meeting at Whyteleafe station would require those arriving at Upper Warlingham to head off in the opposite direction to the normal route. Better for the two groups to meet at the entrance to Whyteleafe Recreation Ground where the routes from both stations converge.
Always a good option for those short autumnal days especially for us South Londoners but don't let the proximity to London lull you into a false sense of security! ''There will be mud!'' as Daniel Day Lewis might have said in one of his films. May well do this.
I intend going. This will be my first walk.
7 wet windy muddy. Horses galore. Lovely creatures but by the cringe they really churn up the bridleways! 4 started (3 at Warl, 1 at Whyteleafe); 3 joined at various intervals at lunch. Food & drink & service at White Bear was exceptional. 2 of us had tea at Hayes Java&Chai Tea room. Excellent in all respects; please go!x See photos!
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